If Yugoslavia still existed today....

How would relationships be with Serbians/Croatians/Bosnians/etc be today?

Depends on weather yugo would be poor or rich,if rich we wouldnt give a shit

The year is 924. of the lord...

The Byzantine Empire negotiated with Serbia and Croatia in an effort to forge an alliance against the Bulgarians. Having been informed of these plans by Prince Michael of Zachlumia, who was forced to the islands as the Serbian rulers took direct control most of his local lands for themselves, Simeon overran Serbia in 924, destroyed it by tricking its nobility, and made it directly part of the Bulgarian Empire. Serbia's ruler Zaharija Pribislavljević fled and found exile at the Croatian court, while after the realm's destruction massive waves of Serb refugees fled and found refuge in King Tomislav's Croatia.

Tsar Simeon sent Duke Alogobotur to drive the Serb refugees further into Croatia, causing outright war in ca. 926. The climax of the war was the Battle of the Bosnian Highlands that same year when Croatian forces under the command of King Tomislav completely defeated the Bulgarian forces under the command of Alogobotur, killing most of the Bulgarians in the battle. The Croatian victory was so decisive and the battle so big that contemporary sources greatly overestimated Croatia's Army at 160,000 men, with a slightly bigger force on the Bulgarian side.
This was the only battle Tsar Simeon ever lost.... and poor Serbs were saved from Bulgarians by Croats.

What we learned from this story is ....no good deed goes unpunished and dont let refugees settle your territory.

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 09:30

The year is 924. of the lord...

The Byzantine Empire negotiated with Serbia and Croatia in an effort to forge an alliance against the Bulgarians. Having been informed of these plans by Prince Michael of Zachlumia, who was forced to the islands as the Serbian rulers took direct control most of his local lands for themselves, Simeon overran Serbia in 924, destroyed it by tricking its nobility, and made it directly part of the Bulgarian Empire. Serbia's ruler Zaharija Pribislavljević fled and found exile at the Croatian court, while after the realm's destruction massive waves of Serb refugees fled and found refuge in King Tomislav's Croatia.

Tsar Simeon sent Duke Alogobotur to drive the Serb refugees further into Croatia, causing outright war in ca. 926. The climax of the war was the Battle of the Bosnian Highlands that same year when Croatian forces under the command of King Tomislav completely defeated the Bulgarian forces under the command of Alogobotur, killing most of the Bulgarians in the battle. The Croatian victory was so decisive and the battle so big that contemporary sources greatly overestimated Croatia's Army at 160,000 men, with a slightly bigger force on the Bulgarian side.
This was the only battle Tsar Simeon ever lost.... and poor Serbs were saved from Bulgarians by Croats.

What we learned from this story is ....no good deed goes unpunished and dont let refugees settle your territory.

Please continue the story of your people

Prispeval Helly, 22.09.2015 at 10:04

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 09:30

The year is 924. of the lord...

The Byzantine Empire negotiated with Serbia and Croatia in an effort to forge an alliance against the Bulgarians. Having been informed of these plans by Prince Michael of Zachlumia, who was forced to the islands as the Serbian rulers took direct control most of his local lands for themselves, Simeon overran Serbia in 924, destroyed it by tricking its nobility, and made it directly part of the Bulgarian Empire. Serbia's ruler Zaharija Pribislavljević fled and found exile at the Croatian court, while after the realm's destruction massive waves of Serb refugees fled and found refuge in King Tomislav's Croatia.

Tsar Simeon sent Duke Alogobotur to drive the Serb refugees further into Croatia, causing outright war in ca. 926. The climax of the war was the Battle of the Bosnian Highlands that same year when Croatian forces under the command of King Tomislav completely defeated the Bulgarian forces under the command of Alogobotur, killing most of the Bulgarians in the battle. The Croatian victory was so decisive and the battle so big that contemporary sources greatly overestimated Croatia's Army at 160,000 men, with a slightly bigger force on the Bulgarian side.
This was the only battle Tsar Simeon ever lost.... and poor Serbs were saved from Bulgarians by Croats.

What we learned from this story is ....no good deed goes unpunished and dont let refugees settle your territory.

Please continue the story of your people

he doesnt know,no one knows rest of their history is hungarian history xd they gave croatia to hungary by theirself xd no war,no force,nothing,they alone did that xd




Yugoslavia with socialism as country setup and capitalist economy,would be strong,independent,neutral.

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 10:37

he doesnt know,no one knows rest of their history is hungarian history xd they gave croatia to hungary by theirself xd no war,no force,nothing,they alone did that xd

Hungary atempted to conquer croatia twice,failed both times (they took slavonia in 2nd attempt doe),what happened in 1102. is called personal union (look it up).
croatian and hungarian kingdoms merged and because croatian king died and had no one to claim the throne,hungarian king became the king of hungary-croatia.

croatia officially lost its independance in 1527. to austria cause they needed help against ottomans

Prispeval Evic, 22.09.2015 at 11:02

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 10:37

he doesnt know,no one knows rest of their history is hungarian history xd they gave croatia to hungary by theirself xd no war,no force,nothing,they alone did that xd

Hungary atempted to conquer croatia twice,failed both times (they took slavonia in 2nd attempt doe),what happened in 1102. is called personal union (look it up).
croatian and hungarian kingdoms merged and because croatian king died and had no one to claim the throne,hungarian king became the king of hungary-croatia.

croatia officially lost its independance in 1527. to austria cause they needed help against ottomans

lol,i dont care about politics and titles to king,be real,croatians gave croatia to hungary on saucer.
And if you really want details:
When croatian king died,his wife took throne,and her lineage(i dont remember exactly who,i was learnt it 7-8 years ago) was hungarian king,and she gave croatia to hungary.

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 11:04

Prispeval Evic, 22.09.2015 at 11:02

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 10:37

he doesnt know,no one knows rest of their history is hungarian history xd they gave croatia to hungary by theirself xd no war,no force,nothing,they alone did that xd

Hungary atempted to conquer croatia twice,failed both times (they took slavonia in 2nd attempt doe),what happened in 1102. is called personal union (look it up).
croatian and hungarian kingdoms merged and because croatian king died and had no one to claim the throne,hungarian king became the king of hungary-croatia.

croatia officially lost its independance in 1527. to austria cause they needed help against ottomans

lol,i dont care about politics and titles to king,be real,croatians gave croatia to hungary on saucer.

simple deliberate deny of historical evidences,...................becoming more like tito every day

Prispeval Evic, 22.09.2015 at 11:05

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 11:04

Prispeval Evic, 22.09.2015 at 11:02

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 10:37

he doesnt know,no one knows rest of their history is hungarian history xd they gave croatia to hungary by theirself xd no war,no force,nothing,they alone did that xd

Hungary atempted to conquer croatia twice,failed both times (they took slavonia in 2nd attempt doe),what happened in 1102. is called personal union (look it up).
croatian and hungarian kingdoms merged and because croatian king died and had no one to claim the throne,hungarian king became the king of hungary-croatia.

croatia officially lost its independance in 1527. to austria cause they needed help against ottomans

lol,i dont care about politics and titles to king,be real,croatians gave croatia to hungary on saucer.

simple deliberate deny of historical evidences,...................becoming more like tito every day

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 11:04

lol,i dont care about politics and titles to king,be real,croatians gave croatia to hungary on saucer.
And if you really want details:
When croatian king died,his wife took throne,and her lineage(i dont remember exactly who,i was learnt it 7-8 years ago) was hungarian king,and she gave croatia to hungary.

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 11:07

lol,i dont care about politics and titles to king,be real,croatians gave croatia to hungary on saucer.
And if you really want details:
When croatian king died,his wife took throne,and her lineage(i dont remember exactly who,i was learnt it 7-8 years ago) was hungarian king,and she gave croatia to hungary.

she couldnt take the throne,it had to be a male and next one in line was her brother which was hungarian king.................simple logic

Prispeval Evic, 22.09.2015 at 11:12

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 11:07

lol,i dont care about politics and titles to king,be real,croatians gave croatia to hungary on saucer.
And if you really want details:
When croatian king died,his wife took throne,and her lineage(i dont remember exactly who,i was learnt it 7-8 years ago) was hungarian king,and she gave croatia to hungary.

she couldnt take the throne,it had to be a male and next one in line was her brother which was hungarian king.................simple logic

ok,read now,i will tell in details:
After Tomislav's death Croatia started to weak because of often changing of king.In time of king Zvonimir feudal nobility and clergy are boosting.His son Stjepan inherited him,but Stjepan died fast after getting throne.After death of Stjepan(last Trpmirovic),his mother Jelena(wife of Zvonimir) and part of the feudal nobility
and clergy got on throne and thinked that its good for Croatia if she gives it to Hungary xd

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 09:30

Alternative history

King Tomislav of Croatia is fictional character - Western historians

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 11:36

"After Tomislav's death Croatia started to weak"

nice job buddy,you just proved you know nothing about the subject.
croatia wasnt at its peak in tomislavs time,it was in kresimir IV.

also you just keep repeating yourself,same thing for about 3 or 4 posts now

As civenavi said, it would depend on whether Yugoslavia would be poor or rich, and depends on whether there is America. Western historians agree that Socialism in Yugoslavia was succesful and reason for collapse and war is American backing terrorists and underground nazis in Yugoslavia. Yugoslav economy worth was $500 billion and overall assets $1000 billions, with trade and contracts they had with the World plus emerging BRIC would make Yugoslav economy even stronger (if Europe doesnt sanction them like they did 20 years ago to make them poor). Anyway it depends most on croats, as they had most politicians and army officers who made decisions for the future, and if they didnt decide to destroy Yugoslavia and take 30 silver coins from America, they could be pretty strong today, new great power next to Germany, Italy, France in Europe.

Prispeval Skanderbeg, 22.09.2015 at 11:49

As civenavi said, it would depend on whether Yugoslavia would be poor or rich, and depends on whether there is America. Western historians agree that Socialism in Yugoslavia was succesful and reason for collapse and war is American backing terrorists and underground nazis in Yugoslavia. Yugoslav economy worth was $500 billion and overall assets $1000 billions, with trade and contracts they had with the World plus emerging BRIC would make Yugoslav economy even stronger (if Europe doesnt sanction them like they did 20 years ago to make them poor). Anyway it depends most on croats, as they had most politicians and army officers who made decisions for the future, and if they didnt decide to destroy Yugoslavia and take 30 silver coins from America, they could be pretty strong today, new great power next to Germany, Italy, France in Europe.

bruh,forst off yugoslav economy was never that great and its very existance depended on US loans,if not for them,yugo would just be another failed socialist state.

to confirm that,once loans stopped yugo collapsed

Prispeval Evic, 22.09.2015 at 11:49

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 11:36

"After Tomislav's death Croatia started to weak"

nice job buddy,you just proved you now nothing about the subject.
croatia wasnt at its peak in tomislavs time,it was in kresimir IV.

also you just keep repeating yourself,same thing for about 3 or 4 posts now

kek,when sry then,i didnt want to aruge,but i just got one book and readed about it,and i can ,wait,i will ss that part(coraitan book,bought in Dubrovnik)-
Edit:

Serbs are a fictional nation... once in byzant time they were simply called servians as in servants ..slaves of byzant.

This slaves consisted of several smaller tribes who eventually merged by a Croat duke who turned ortodox and started twisting the word servian into serbian.

Later on not able to prove their ancestry they by luck found a germanic tribe called sorbs and started saying they were this tribe even tho genetics prove they have nothing in common with german sorbs.
Funny tho they still like to say they are slavs.

First "serb" state was called raška... which is a twisted name of hrvatska - croatia in croatian. This proves my croat duke fact... serbs are croats turned ortodox to get points with byzant emperor.

...

XD

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 11:58

Serbs are a fictional nation... once in byzant time they were simply called servians as in servants ..slaves of byzant.

This slaves consisted of several smaller tribes who eventually merged by a Croat duke who turned ortodox and started twisting the word servian into serbian.

Later on not able to prove their ancestry they by luck found a germanic tribe called sorbs and started saying they were this tribe even tho genetics prove they have nothing in common with german sorbs.
Funny tho they still like to say they are slavs.

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 12:05

Merely showing Tito's way of "history" with my last two posts.

Hungarian historians tho ...admit Croatia and hungary were in a union of equal kingdoms under one king. That is until both swore aligiance too habsburg.

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 12:02

First "serb" state was called raška... which is a twisted name of hrvatska - croatia in croatian. This proves my croat duke fact... serbs are croats turned ortodox to get points with byzant emperor.

...

XD

Croats are fictional country made by Western propaganda media,croatia(hrvatska).First serbian nation was called Raska,NAme hrvatska is made from name Raska.

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 12:15

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 12:13

Croats are fictional country made by Western propaganda media,croatia(hrvatska).First serbian nation was called Raska,NAme hrvatska is made from name Raska.

Western propaganda in 7th century?... DAMN MURICANS!!! ...and yes of course ...Raška was a heartland of Croats

Nah,Croatia was a hearthland of Raska.

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 11:56

>croatian book

>cyrilic

bruh

Prispeval Evic, 22.09.2015 at 12:25

it tells all,croatia is serbian.

Dioclea=zeta=duklja=montenegro

rascia=raska=serbia

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 12:31

Serbia be like: "Bugaria pls sthap" "Croatia pls!"
Around year 950.
[im.g]http://s23.postimg.org/adgbk5obe/Untitled.jpg[/img]

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 12:46

Lasted for less then 50 years as long as the self proclaimed Emperor was alive... why you no bother greeks that its "your land" btw.?

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 12:48

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 12:46

why you no bother greeks that its "your land" btw.?

FUCK,I FORGOT TO DO THAT,ty

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 12:50

FUCK,I FORGOT TO DO THAT,ty

Jesus finally... go bother khal now ok XD

HAHAHAH PAVLE BTW. i love your map ...look at KROATEN BOSNIEN <3

Gona make Serbian Empire map just for you...

Prispeval Goblin, 22.09.2015 at 12:52

Prispeval Kromn, 22.09.2015 at 12:50

FUCK,I FORGOT TO DO THAT,ty

Jesus finally... go bother khal now ok XD

HAHAHAH PAVLE BTW. i love your map ...look at KROATEN BOSNIEN <3

Gona make Serbian Empire map just for you...

1.Okok,i will.

2. thats why setted that map,no american maps <3

3. <3

4.

Fuck,than westerns dont make alternative histories....now tell what is true map....
both maps 1350.....

We live in a bewildering time, when artificial states, artificial peoples and artificial languages are founded - Pyotr Evgenievich Kazansky

Bump

Prispeval Skittzophrenic, 22.09.2015 at 20:32

Bump

more threads pls we want more