Unban Helly

Don't be ridiculous.

You get 1 pm and ask for an unban, since he decided to take it publicly I will explain when I get home from work assuming Dave or someone doesn't get to it before me.

Unban mauzer




mauzer's mind i mean

He should have shown some respect to the owner of the game. I had a feeling it'll end like this from the way he acted in the AMA thread so no surprise. Though he should take a break and return later and maybe apologise to dave publicly, because he aired the dirty laundry in public.

Prispeval Sid, 23.01.2020 at 14:34

You get 1 pm and ask for an unban, since he decided to take it publicly I will explain when I get home from work assuming Dave or someone doesn't get to it before me.

Perma banning Helly is despicable and the administration should be ashamed.

#DicksOutForHelly

Seems perma ban is very unreasonable honestly. I don't think Helly was on the level that Unleashed or xbugs was. So there's really no need to put him there.

I always assumed perma ban was for constant trouble makers and I think Helly is far from being a trouble maker he just said some rude stuff and I think if he apologized it could go a long way tbh considering it's probably his first offense in a long time.

You guys shouldn't make assumptions like that he's not permabanned.

Prispeval PleaseMe, 23.01.2020 at 15:51

Seems perma ban is very unreasonable honestly. I don't think Helly was on the level that Unleashed or xbugs was. So there's really no need to put him there.

Si.

Prispeval Permamuted, 23.01.2020 at 15:18

I'm no fan of hellraiser...

You two are similar type of person...
D

Haha, is this real or usual shitposting? I'm high af rn

Just keep him banned... either has a mental condition or he's a plain idiot. I've seen him talk on the forums before, he must have some condition or something.

Prispeval Mauzer Panteri, 23.01.2020 at 16:41

You two are similar type of person...
D

Yea like you and panteri23

Prispeval Tribune Aquila, 23.01.2020 at 17:45

Just keep him banned... either has a mental condition or he's a plain idiot. I've seen him talk on the forums before, he must have some condition or something.

He is a bit whimsical person but hey if that was a legit reason to be banned from the internet we all had a beautiful lives

Also Sid can you please ban me for another 3 months?

Thanks

Prispeval Red.Army, 23.01.2020 at 18:21

Prispeval Tribune Aquila, 23.01.2020 at 17:45

Just keep him banned... either has a mental condition or he's a plain idiot. I've seen him talk on the forums before, he must have some condition or something.

That's rich coming from you, all you post is retarded biased content

likewise

#dicksoutforhelly

Helly was one of the last original map and scenario makers in here. Just saying that, for me he was a master like Tik Tok, Aetius and Pyrrhus and they inspired me to be active as a map/scenario maker.

If he doesn't back...well, even Laochra got back here, just saying.

Ok here is a summed up version, Helly basically told Dave in exact words that he "didn't know what he was doing" and offered to pay for a programmer, then he started being very disrespectful in Dave's AMA after Dave wouldn't answer his question. So i banned him from the forums for 2 weeks. He sent me a slew of messages threatening to sue Dave and I unless this was "not rectified quickly". I banned him with no time limit not because the ban was permanent but because I wasn't sure how long his melt down would ensue. His ban was and for the most part still is up to him. I haven't responded to him in discord because he hasn't done anything but vaguely threaten me.

Sources:
https://atwar-game.com/news/news.php?news_id=276&page=2&message_id=

#dicksoutforhelly

Prispeval DeepFriedUnicorn, 23.01.2020 at 16:46

Haha, is this real or usual shitposting? I'm high af rn

U aren't high enough if u can use ur pc or phone

Everything Sid said is correct.

Just to add from my perspective... I really don't understand what helly's problem is.

He comes to me out of the blue, tells me I'm an incompetent developer because he hasn't seen enough progress. He offers to pay for a developer "who knows what they're doing". And he doesn't understand why I would be offended by this?

Well anyway I decided to just ignore him and move on. I didn't do anything to the guy.

Next thing I know he's harassing me on my AMA thread demanding answers to his questions... I warned him not to derail the thread, and when he continued with another post I deleted it.

After that he goes into full meltdown mode, firing off tons of messages to me, to Sid, and probably a lot of other people. Sid muted him and then eventually banned him not permanently but until he cooled down.

On top of this Helly is now going around calling me a liar and saying I disrespected him so horribly... for what? How is Helly the victim here? He said some shit, I ignored it, now he's melting down making vague threats of law suits or whatever else? Come on.

Here's the log of the original conversation between me and Helly. You can judge for yourself which of us is the liar and which of us is telling the truth:

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(italics added by me)

[2019-12-29 22:44:06.7819] ?Helly [147088]: make garde amin
[2019-12-29 22:44:13.7038] ?Helly [147088]: hes a good boy
[2019-12-29 22:45:07.6419] ?Helly [147088]: admin*
[2019-12-29 22:46:11.0642] ?Dave [1802685]: I should
[2019-12-29 22:46:16.7517] ?Helly [147088]: done ignore me david
[2019-12-29 22:46:39.1113] ?Dave [1802685]: sorry was looking at code
[2019-12-29 22:47:02.6428] ?Helly [147088]: so how are you?
[2019-12-29 22:47:24.5023] ?Dave [1802685]: good, taking a couple days to relax and mess around on aw. how about u?
[2019-12-29 22:48:09.4871] ?Helly [147088]: good, bored but good.
[2019-12-29 22:49:27.5815] ?Dave [1802685]: bored can be good
[2019-12-29 22:50:55.5979] ?Helly [147088]: not when you have garde pestering you about aw 24/7
[2019-12-29 22:51:06.9261] ?Helly [147088]: xD
[2019-12-29 22:51:22.8325] ?Dave [1802685]: lol
[2019-12-29 22:52:28.3644] ?Helly [147088]: like i thought i used to really wanna help atwar hes on another level though.
[2019-12-29 22:53:20.5835] ?Helly [147088]: with the code as broken as you aay it is, it seems like we need another programmer xD
[2019-12-29 22:53:40.8962] ?Dave [1802685]: we just need one programmer who doesn't have a full time job already xD
[2019-12-29 22:54:17.4434] ?Helly [147088]: what if im willing to support that programmer?
[2019-12-29 22:54:32.0060] ?Helly [147088]: kind of like a sponsor
[2019-12-29 22:54:51.6937] ?Dave [1802685]: you want to pay my salary? <------ I said this as a joke, because up to this point I thought he was just kidding around
[2019-12-29 22:56:01.4443] ?Helly [147088]: id prefer a programmer who knows what hes doing. <------ now I'm like wtf, is this guy serious??
[2019-12-29 22:56:17.8975] ?Dave [1802685]: wow
[2019-12-29 22:56:38.1165] ?Helly [147088]: come now dave it aint an insult like that.
[2019-12-29 22:57:21.4137] ?Helly [147088]: you dont even understand how atwar works entirely. <------ damn, he really is serious
[2019-12-29 22:58:23.9768] ?Helly [147088]: i just want progress.
[2019-12-29 22:59:06.3365] ?Helly [147088]: i feel like im coming off a bit rude.
[2019-12-29 22:59:14.0084] ?Dave [1802685]: wow that is just so far insulting I don't even know what to say
[2019-12-29 22:59:20.0554] ?Dave [1802685]: this conversation is over.
[2019-12-29 22:59:23.2273] ?Helly [147088]: i believe honesty is important

So apparently when I said "you want to pay my salary?", Helly took that as a serious request for money. It wasn't. Apparently he has zero ability to detect sarcasm.

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Anyway he says that as a business owner I should either accept criticism or ignore it... well in this case I chose to ignore it, but he can't seem to let it go:



So there you have it. Oh, and for the record, he never apologized for any of this, so that's another lie from him.

I think helly's idea wasn't that bad he's just retarded and think Dave is doing nothing and couldnt change anything that's what I thought last year and what many players think.
But he says Dave knows nothing of atwar but the new programmer? It will be the same shit he's retarded.
1 year ago Dave banned bugs I insulted him and said he knows nothing of atwar and he shouldn't moderate the game and got banned by him
I was like the most toxic player with bugs last year but then when I saw nic and other players saying I was toxic af I knew it wasn't Dave the problem but me so I apologized to Dave and he unbanned me.
Helly doesn't understand what he did wrong that's the problem and that's why I say he's retarded D

Every medal has 2 sides.

I knew that well packed Helly's message yesterday is not the real truth. Maybe part of the truth from his perspective.
I was actually secretly cheering for Dave to come up publically with his point of view on that story.

To be honest, without having anything too good or too bad with Helly, if I were Dave, I would react the same. Or even worse.

As we could see from various things which I was pointing out before, disrespect is the worst thing on this game. And it is a cause of 90% of problems here.

I have risen up whole atwar because fucking njab left lost cw at turn 2.
It was so iritating bullshit and I couldnt watch him acting some smartass, disrespecting me and having fun of me thinking that his disrespect is unpunishable.

Noo buddy, everything is punishable. Same thing with Helly.
What you expect after this disrespectful smartass act towards game owner and message spam with some bullshit crap in them...

With no being egocentric, I would just remove him from game.
Like come on, he was literally spitting on Dave's knowledge through Dave's own virtual game. What he expexted? A bunch of flowers?

He is lucky that ban is not permanent but lasting till he cools down.
I hope Helly will change position of his speaking to a lower one, hierarchy needs to be respected, and that they can solve and puzzle out the occured problem.

I don't think my mother would be happy to learn I am that pettty.

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