23.03.2016 - 15:08
Sorry... what exactly did i say that was ridiculous? The part about Turkey being considered European by many? Which historically it has been... Istanbul is on a par with st petersburg, largely considered European Cities belonging to eurasian states.... It was the most important city in europe for over 500 (edit: more like 900) years too... and since it belongs to Turkey and since Turkey has applied to join the Eu on multiple occasions it's not hard to distance Turkey from the rest of Europe. If you're not referring to that then please tell me whats so ridiculous about terrorism being born of hatred and not religion? Because it's existed before redical interpretations of Islam used it as a tool and it will around long after radical Islams demise...
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23.03.2016 - 15:31
You said it was ignorance that people talk about Paris/Brussels, but not about Ankara, which made you rage. That is what i'm referring too. While me and Acqui are trying to explain to you, that this is a attack on people that are much closer to us and in a region that isn't in a warzone, which makes it more 'news worthy'. Does that make 1 life more worth then the other? Of course not, but no one is claiming that. Also, Turkey might be 'historical' European as you say (which i doubt), but as Acqui pointed out it's not geographically and it is certainly not cultural European. (Oh, and this is my last reply because i think that i should not be part in a political debate as moderator)
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23.03.2016 - 15:58
Honestly this just shows how backwards we've become. Evidently you can't even show extra compassion for your brothers or fellow citizens. You have to pretend to be equally broken up about every person in the world or you're a racist, as if this is in any way how normal human beings behave. Thing is these days people show "empathy" in the most shallow and banal ways (changing your profile picture or tweeting a hashtag) because it's all about making yourself feel noble and better than others. Genuine compassion is quiet and understated. But go on with the "holier than thou" attitude pretending you care so much about people you've never met and never will; all the while your neighbors suffer from your nondiscriminatory infinite love for humanity. Surely you are a better person than those bigots trying to safeguard their jobs, security for their children, and survival of their culture.
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23.03.2016 - 16:03
Guys we have terrorist even in atwar his name is Commando Eagle Terrorist atack in Belgium and whole world know for this but when this happand in orthodox countries no one care its sad but Europe,NATO,USA dont give a single fuck for this 1999 NATO bombing in Yugoslavia 2001 they support terrorist in Macedonia to not mention their support for terrorist in Libya,Iraq,Syria,Eqypt,Afghanistan and they said that Russia is 'number one danger' to Europe Union Nato USA feed this terrorist dogs now dogs grow up and began to bite their owners
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23.03.2016 - 16:20
You clearly ignored me when i said 300,000 die a day and I don't expect us to all cry about it... Have you ever heard of Constantinople? (I'd like to think you have) It was the center of Europe for the best part of a millennia... today it's known as Istanbul... the name has changed but the geography hasn't. I have friends that live in Turkey (I wasn't thinking of Opi when i said that but I'll include him too) If you call caring about them "pretending to be broken up" you can take a rusty knife and cut your throat with it. Cunt. By the way I never mentioned racism, I just asked that people reconsider what they're saying and thinking because its insensitive and "backwards" to think someone dying of a terrorist attack in Ankara doesn't matter. I understand that we see the deaths in Paris and Brussels as closer to home, but its still no excuse for writing off the attacks in Ankara as "normal" or "not worth thinking about" or as Hugosch put it" shit in a toilet and not on a table". I shouldn't have to mention that turkey is a pretty metropolitan country for the most part, Cities like Ankara and Istanbul are being targeted and they are not much different to cities like Paris, Madrid or Brussels.... the only difference is the Muslim population and like I've said 3 times already.... considering a terrorist attack on an innocent life, whether its a jew, muslim, Christian or whatever... considering any death caused by a terrorist attack to be meaningless or fair or "shit in a toilet"... is fucking wrong.
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23.03.2016 - 16:36
Yeah, my previous post wasn't exactly directed to you, hence me not quoting you. It was a response to the general argument people are making. It's not my place to say if your grieving is authentic and you can note I've not attacked you personally over anything. As for killing myself on account of what a cunt I am, I wouldn't want to hurt your feelings! Anyways, we seem to agree that the avoidable deaths of innocents is "fucking wrong", so lets maybe direct some of that passion away from those Europeans that are grieving and towards those Islamists that are blowing themselves up in the first place?
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23.03.2016 - 16:38
Europe deserved it for letting rapefugees into Europe. Well done Europe, now USA and Emperor Trump will have to bail you out yet again.
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23.03.2016 - 16:40
Wow, did you just compare victims of terrorism with poop?
Well, after such statement implying modship isn't much of significance.
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23.03.2016 - 16:41
I can agree with this... sorry for calling you a cunt, i thought you were making it personal... Hugosch kept quoting you which didn't help and his comments were directed at me.
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23.03.2016 - 16:41
Oh good old off topic. Where all hatred and biggotism comes to the surface. I was wondering and wondering what I have to done to khal hates me,and then, I figured out,he knows that I am from muslim country and I don't shut up on his idiotism,therefor he has a reason to hate me. Well that should sum up what I kind of person he is. Now you don't give a shit about Ankara,but do about Brussels,is not because they are your neighbours or friends,no. Just because you can't see yourself in Ankara,but you can in Brussels. PS. KHALESI YOU ARE JUST A LITTLE PIECE OF SHIT. WHO HIDES BEHIND ATHEISM,BUT REALLY HATES ISLAM.NO ONE CARES,BUT IT'S NOT NICE TO BE HYPOCRITE.Also we don't give a fuck about your problem with refuges. PPS. INB4 I GET MUTED ON FORUMS ,BUT NOT OTHERS ,BECAUSE HEY, IT'S OKAY TO INSULT VICTIMS OF TERORRISM,AS LONG AS THEY ARE MUSLIMS. RIGHT KHAL ?
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23.03.2016 - 16:43
I also remember 2001 terrorism in Macedonia, when more than 200 died and 1000 were injured. None of western(global) community shown support!
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23.03.2016 - 16:43
Make Ottoman Empire Great Again
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23.03.2016 - 16:46
Have you read about the Rwanda genocidie? Many lives were lost there. I will never forget this part of Hotel Rwanda, a movie about said genocidie:
It's natural to care about some people more than others. You, your people, or even whole western Europe could care more about your safety than Ankara's. But prioritizing the news based on nationality is what hurts us as humans. They aren't less than you. But yeah at the end is your decision. Feel free to ignore Turkey and Syria like the world did with Rwanda once. Sure broadcasting a dog that dies of colera in Spain is more important than the lives lost in Iraq.
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23.03.2016 - 20:11 Oh look, I can do memes too.
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23.03.2016 - 20:35
How dare you accuse other people of ignoracy and offer such a crock of bullshit in return. You are asking about Cosntantinople, as if you know anything. You have one turkish friend and suddenly you think you are an expert? Well i know Constantinople yes. My grandmother lived there, suffered the 50's instabul pogroms where she witnessed friends getting tortured and being raped for no reason and schools, houses, churches being burned to the ground by "democratic" Turks. Until she was forced to leave for good, at 1964 along with tenths of thousand other peacefull Greek citizens. She had to abandon her city, Constantinople, all of her belongings, her house, her money, her business, her life, under a strict 48 hour deadline. Her cousins were slaughtered, her father's hands were cut off, so he could not enter the boats and escape (he was a teacher) and so on and so on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_pogrom So yes i have heard of Constantinople. It was stolen, raped and her streets have been soaking with my people's blood, all the way from the 15th century to, and including, the 20th. Moreso, it was never the center of Europe, it became the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire, mainly due to economical and logistical/military reasons - namely to efficiently repel muslim invaders and the actual freaking Turks. It was also the spiritual center of christianity, after all Hagia Sophia is there, the biggest place of worship in the whole world up until the 16th century. Which the Turks, when inside Constantinople, after spilling so much blood in her holy floor murdering Byzantines, (accounts claim for a lake of blood reaching knee level) turned into a mosque. What ever Europe was left in Constantinople, they (turks) fucking raped and murdered it out of her. But anyway, lets talk about this Turkey Europe nonsense. How the hell is Turkey "largely" considered European, is this a joke? On what grounds and by who? -Geographically it lies 97% in Asia. "Largely"? -Politically is an imature, inferior model of democracy, not resembling Europe's the slightest. "Its politics are a tussle between an overbearing military and Islamists of varying hues. Human rights are routinely abused. Dozens of journalists languish in jail. Amnesty International's annual report is filled with accounts of torture, free speech violations, denial of minority rights, unfair trials, failure to protect women, not to mention the issue with the Kurds (genocide) - Historicaly/culturayl/ religiously, Turkey has nothing in common with Europe. Turkey's historic and cultural roots lay in Central Asia and the Middle East. not only did it miss all the shared experiences that bind Europeans together, but practically forced other European countries to do as well (Greece, Balkans, almost Austria), from the cultural legacy of Renaissance and the Enlightenment, to the horrors of the Second World War II which galvanized the drive for united Europe. As an overwhelmingly Muslim nation, Turkey's cultural traditions are fundamentally different from that of Christian Europe. Turkey's historical interaction with Europe has always been as an outside invader. Not to mention Cyprus, the illegal occupation of European soil. Now that the matter is settled and we reached (i think?) the conclusion that Turkey is not only not considered "largely" European, but due to the cultural, historical, political, social, religious differences and the hundreds of years of actual war between Eu and Turkey, is considered unfriendly, untrustworthy, backwards and dangerous by the majority of the European citizens. Add to that the geopolitical tensions Turkey incites regularly, east with Greece, west with Russia and south with the Middle east, add that Turkey is one of the only buyers of Isis oil, its also the biggest if not the only gateway from all the international jihadists travelling to join Isis ( and those travelling to Europe from Isis), it actively trained, funded and provided with weapons, jihadist rebels and extremists that either joined FSA, Al quaida, ISIS or a combination of those, add the attacks and sabotage of the only Middle Eastern people who are actually fighting Isis effectively, the Kurds. Not only actively genociding Kurds, but also closed the Turkey-Syria border north of Kobani, so the Kurds from around cannot provide their allies with supplies, aid and reinforcements on their war against Isis. this is Kurds getting raped by Turkey this is Kurds getting raped by Isis, with Turkey not only watching doing nothing, but preventing Northern Kurds to provide help and supplies to the people defending Kobaine against isis. Literally 1 fucking mile from Turkey border is ISIS. And Turkey is just waving at them. Good guy Turk And after all these, you and that goes to all the rest of the muslim responders and upvoters here, want me to feel sorry for Turkey? You critisize me for not feeling sorry for them? You condemn us for having solidarity with our fellow European citizens, because you are jealus and envious that Europeans are not like their muslim counterparts, where they hate, fight and spit on eachother? And not only that, but you are trying to force your opinions unto us, like you somehow get to dictate our feelings? What is this sense of entitlement, i dont get it, where is it coming from? You came from the Middle East to be economic immigrants in Europe and suddenly you get to dictate what Europeans should think and feel in their own fucking countries? Who put you guys in charge? You are guests in Europe, treated with unreasonable, frankly absurd hospitality by the West and you are trying to take advantage of that and thats the problem right there. To end this, if you realize what went on, you guys highjacked a simple news report about a European tragedy and turned it into a guilt-hate campaign against the West. But i knew this would happen even before i made the post anyway. I can always count on the ignoracy and warmongering of the "moderate" muslim population, to shred their carefully put, politically correct with a dash of victimization, masks and reveal their true faces. Predictable. Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
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23.03.2016 - 20:48
Sorry but this argument is clearly over, waste your time on something else
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23.03.2016 - 20:53
>thinks turkey is a developed and european country sorry, this argument was over the second you posted this nonsense
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23.03.2016 - 21:08
No I said it wasn't a third world country and that it can be CONSIDERED european ... Officially it's a first world country because of the cold war definition Technically its a developing country.... which still isn't third world irrespective the point I was making was that a life lost is a life lost. Go fuck yourself if you think otherwise. The whole point of me saying this stuff about turkey was to aid some of the mentally impaired into viewing the lives lost in Ankara and elsewhere as equally as tragic to the lives lost in Western Europe. Because some of the comments were out of line
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23.03.2016 - 21:09
I never hated you, i actually even find you fun sometimes. But my opinion of you, after talking in clan chat about social and political issues, is that you are a classic textbook case of a stupid, ignorant, religious bigot. I am not trying to insult you, its just what i think. My European member country gives me the privilege to think for my self, make judgements and express my opinions freely and i am very gratefull for it. I can even not-believe in a god and nobody will threaten to kill me. The very presence of Islam, by definition and practice, threatens that privilege that i love so much, therefore im not an Islam fan and i d like if it stayed far away from me. Gege?
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23.03.2016 - 21:09
is that why all you've done in this thread is try to take attention from the victims in Brussels and make us care about turks who are reaping what they sow?
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23.03.2016 - 21:20
Your European member country rights don't excuse you from being an arsehole. Swans isn't a bigot, he's actually pretty nice about other cultures... get to know him properly and you'll realize that. That Eu member state you're so proud of does however allow people to freely express themselves regardless of ethnicity, sexuality or religion... which believe it or not includes Islam... So when you say "therefore im not an Islam fan and i d like if it stayed far away from me" when Muslims have a right to be exactly where they are infact makes you a.... So nice job classifying yourself as a hypocrite. Are you done?
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23.03.2016 - 21:24
Go fuck yourself "All I've done in this thread" is ask people to keep what they're saying about other races and religions in check. Like that comment about turks right there. Cunt
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23.03.2016 - 21:30
I hope you Muppets realize that when we Begin to fear Islam and want to be distanced from it, you're letting the terrorists win
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23.03.2016 - 21:36
I am an asshole, never denied that, but thats irrelevant. The above speciment expressed views, supportive of social inequality , persecution of minorities, blatantly denied the unequal treatment of women in muslim countries and the daily human rights violations, dismissed statistical data and polls i offered with a rebutal of the likes " i dont care about all this you are wrong because i said so" and is all for a literal interpretation of the quran, so spare me. As for expression of religion, first of all Islam is not just a religion, but a political system with its own set of theist laws. That comes in direct collision with the constitution and the rule of law. And also, non-democratic islamists are by definition bigots, therefore is being a bigot against bigots, really an act of bigotry? Im done now.
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23.03.2016 - 21:41
Yeah, because ISIS totally gives a shit how warm I feel towards their religion. Obviously the correct response is to #notallmuslims and sing Imagine while holding hands in a circle. Meanwhile Eurocrats can continue promoting open borders, and failed multiculturalist (read: suicidal) policies that don't offend anyone. It's really no wonder the terrorists think Europe is ripe for conquest. It is.
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23.03.2016 - 21:49
Hey Jude, They do care what we think of their religion actually, they want us to fear it.... that's why its called terrorism.... Make sense?
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23.03.2016 - 21:49
10/10 argument
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Ste prepričani?