Ghosting

Can anyone give me any relevant arguments why is ghosting in CWs allowed by AW rules?

Why not. You give us relevant arguments why to disallow it by AW rules.

'Cuz it's not forbidden

Ghosting?

Who is ghosting on ghost's acc ?xD

Prispeval Ferlucci1389, 25.02.2016 at 12:34

Who is ghosting on ghost's acc ?xD

the Ghost himself

Prispeval Guest, 25.02.2016 at 12:32

Why not.

Dude, I asked for relevant arguments to start a little discussion about this thing.

Prispeval Guest, 25.02.2016 at 12:32

You give us relevant arguments why to disallow it by AW rules.

Ghosting in global is not something which is hardly breaking rules, but let's keep discussion about it in CWs.
Why to let:
- Someone from one coalition ghost on certain account for another coalition?
- If coalitions make a deal with matched ranks, why to let someone rank 11 to play on rank 7 account acting like he's r7?

It means to legally and fraudulently take the easy way to gain win for your/another coalition. Use of someone's honesty and sportsmanship to benefit is so low, maybe the lowest possible thing in the competitve scene after hacking.

Prispeval Guest, 25.02.2016 at 12:33

It is not against rules and my question is 'why it is exactly not against rules?'
What are arguments to leave it according to the rules, because many of us see more negative sides of it (in competitive scene - read cws) then positive. And also, only people who are ghosting and whose coalition earned benefits by ghosting are not accepting any word against it. And what I want here is not subjective discussion

Wtf is ghosting?

Prispeval PleaseMe, 25.02.2016 at 13:29

Wtf is ghosting?

Playing on someone else's account, usually to gain an unfair advantage.

Prispeval Heat Check, 25.02.2016 at 13:38

Prispeval PleaseMe, 25.02.2016 at 13:29

Wtf is ghosting?

Playing on someone else's account, usually to gain an unfair advantage.

There is no such thing as unfair advantage. The only unfair advantage is being a rank 0-9 and not having all the upgrades. You people need to stop bitching, how will you ever be the best if you can't beat everyone?

After rank 10 ghosting is nothing, is it really a problem if rank 11 takes rank 10 account?

I don't like ghosting only because the player that ''ghosts'' doesn't give the actual user a chance to learn and also he make him feel useless.
You guys always complain on how the competitive side of AtWar is dying but as I see you are the ones that are killing it.

Prispeval PleaseMe, 25.02.2016 at 13:43

Prispeval Heat Check, 25.02.2016 at 13:38

Prispeval PleaseMe, 25.02.2016 at 13:29

Wtf is ghosting?

Playing on someone else's account, usually to gain an unfair advantage.

There is no such thing as unfair advantage. The only unfair advantage is being a rank 0-9 and not having all the upgrades. You people need to stop bitching, how will you ever be the best if you can't beat everyone?

There is an unfair advantage, im not talking about a r11 taking a r10's account and yeah that does matter because if the r10 doesn't play eu and the r11 does, the difference in rank is greatly enhanced. The issue here is that they said that buff wouldnt play and if gow wanted to play then he would. So we agreed to have a cw with less experienced people on both sides. By adding buff to the game, they purposely deceived us to gain an advantage even after agreeing. I'm not crying about it, but i'm just saying no one likes to be cheated and lied to.
Also in regards to " to be the best you must beat the best", it doesn't really apply, this has nothing to do with it. What if you were playing another rank 9 in a duel and they played OP, and you found out that they actually played better because someone else was playing on their account, like a r12. They did this on purpose to beat you. How is that fair? You assumed it was a r9 playing, and i'm sure you wouldn't like it if something like this happend to you.

What I am actually more interested in is, who is this thread aimed at?

Prispeval Waffel, 25.02.2016 at 14:56

What I am actually more interested in is, who is this thread aimed at?

Mortal Kombat maybe...

or check Croat's last CW on his profile.

on topic: agree it shouldn't be allowed.

Prispeval Buffalo Soldier, 25.02.2016 at 13:46

After rank 10 ghosting is nothing, is it really a problem if rank 11 takes rank 10 account?

I don't want to talk bad about anyone, but that r10's skill in competitive gameplay is quite equal to this one:



I played with him in a normal 3v3, he was Ukraine and not so good Ukraine (That guy doesn't even play Europe games). Also with his more than 3100 played games, he has neither 800 wins.
Do you still think ghosting is not a problem in CWs? I repeat, I am talking only about ghosting in CWs

Yes i do, it just looks fine to me as im ok to see mauzer at war account or clovis at somebody from epic account to match ranks, also if u expected easy win, you should not even start cw, mac asked to play oh his account by himself it was not my idea, also im really sorry about Joseph's rewalls, this will not happen again at cw, u can be sure, i talked to him.

Prispeval Buffalo Soldier, 26.02.2016 at 01:38

Yes i do, it just looks fine to me as im ok to see mauzer at war account or clovis at somebody from epic account to match ranks, also if u expected easy win, you should not even start cw

How can it be fine if ranks are actually not matched.. They are matched only visually, but if clovis or Mauzer of anyone else plays secretly on another lower rank account, then it cannot be CW with matched ranks.

Nobody expected an easy win, but fair play.

Prispeval Buffalo Soldier, 26.02.2016 at 01:38

mac asked to play oh his account by himself it was not my idea, also im really sorry about Joseph's rewalls, this will not happen again at cw, u can be sure, i talked to him.

Nobody said anything against you or Macabro, everything is fine cuz you did all within current AW rules.
I am just trying to find reasons why ghosting is withing rules and see with community would it be better if it is prohibited in CWs.

Prispeval Croat, 26.02.2016 at 04:40

Prispeval Buffalo Soldier, 26.02.2016 at 01:38

Yes i do, it just looks fine to me as im ok to see mauzer at war account or clovis at somebody from epic account to match ranks, also if u expected easy win, you should not even start cw

How can it be fine if ranks are actually not matched.. They are matched only visually, but if clovis or Mauzer of anyone else plays secretly on another lower rank account, then it cannot be CW with matched ranks.

Why so? Ranks matched, what does rank mean for you? For me it is upgrades, so rank 15 seems the same as rank 11

Prispeval Buffalo Soldier, 26.02.2016 at 06:04

Why so? Ranks matched, what does rank mean for you? For me it is upgrades, so rank 15 seems the same as rank 11 for me

Experience?

Also, even if we say its same, the person who plays is not same. And we all have different skill for this game, someone has it more, someone has it less.
You and Macabro are definitely not same skilled players who knows to use all the upgrades on same level. You dont even play same maps.

If it still seems like same rank for you, than please let Mauzer (r15) play on the viking's (r11) account in a CW against you

Prispeval Buffalo Soldier, 26.02.2016 at 06:04

Prispeval Croat, 26.02.2016 at 04:40

Prispeval Buffalo Soldier, 26.02.2016 at 01:38

Yes i do, it just looks fine to me as im ok to see mauzer at war account or clovis at somebody from epic account to match ranks, also if u expected easy win, you should not even start cw

How can it be fine if ranks are actually not matched.. They are matched only visually, but if clovis or Mauzer of anyone else plays secretly on another lower rank account, then it cannot be CW with matched ranks.

Why so? Ranks matched, what does rank mean for you? For me it is upgrades, so rank 15 seems the same as rank 11

Buffalo I hope you realize the implications of your argument. If everybody in the community supports ghosting, then eventually cw will become even more of a monopoly than it is now.

Every clan will end up ALWAYS playing their 3-4 A team players every clan war because they can't trust the other clan at all. Soon enough, cw will devolve into a "Who has the best 3 players" competition and all newbies are not allowed to clan wars.

When clan war stagnation is starting to become a problem due to lack of fresh recruits, I doubt your line of reasoning will be very helpful.

The problem with account swapping ("ghosting") in CWs is not because of "rank matching" (9+ all the same) but because it distorts the player's profile and inhibits sending "noobier" players into CW.
In the end all accounts will be managed by 4-5 players in the cln for the purpose of getting the CP... evenly distributing the "merits" among the members.

Furthermore this:

Prispeval Heat Check, 25.02.2016 at 14:03

There is an unfair advantage, im not talking about a r11 taking a r10's account and yeah that does matter because if the r10 doesn't play eu and the r11 does, the difference in rank is greatly enhanced. The issue here is that they said that buff wouldnt play and if gow wanted to play then he would. So we agreed to have a cw with less experienced people on both sides. By adding buff to the game, they purposely deceived us to gain an advantage even after agreeing. I'm not crying about it, but i'm just saying no one likes to be cheated and lied to.
Also in regards to " to be the best you must beat the best", it doesn't really apply, this has nothing to do with it. What if you were playing another rank 9 in a duel and they played OP, and you found out that they actually played better because someone else was playing on their account, like a r12. They did this on purpose to beat you. How is that fair? You assumed it was a r9 playing, and i'm sure you wouldn't like it if something like this happend to you.

Cri more noobs

Prispeval opi, 26.02.2016 at 09:30

Cri more noobs

Share less.

Why are you guys arguing so much? There is only one reason this is allowed (atwar definition of not forbiden) : interdiction would be too diffuclt to implement...

Prispeval Kraigg, 26.02.2016 at 10:16

Why are you guys arguing so much? There is only one reason this is allowed (atwar definition of not forbiden) : interdiction would be too diffuclt to implement...

Actually not.

Prispeval Columna Durruti, 26.02.2016 at 10:18

Prispeval Kraigg, 26.02.2016 at 10:16

Why are you guys arguing so much? There is only one reason this is allowed (atwar definition of not forbiden) : interdiction would be too diffuclt to implement...

Actually not.

I m sorry I assumed it involved some mod doing their job...

Prispeval Kraigg, 26.02.2016 at 10:57

Prispeval Columna Durruti, 26.02.2016 at 10:18

Prispeval Kraigg, 26.02.2016 at 10:16

Why are you guys arguing so much? There is only one reason this is allowed (atwar definition of not forbiden) : interdiction would be too diffuclt to implement...

Actually not.

I m sorry I assumed it involved some mod doing their job...

Meaning?