Why do clans fail?

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Objavljeno od Mr_Own_U, 18.03.2015 - 20:15

I feel like there has never been a dicussion for this, but many people probably wonder, why do new clans fail? And what does it take for a new clan to strive?

Many people want to make a clan for a few reasons here are the main ones in my opinion
1.) Want there name on something
2.) Building a legacy
3.) For a group of friends
4.) Map making

Arguably many more categories but this is what I think. Not many clans in this era lets say 2013 until now have actually made it.

The reason why I think a clan fails is over clan wars, obvious but the truth. When a clan war is lost many people like to blame eachother which cause unrest in a clan. Or some times egos can clash. Many clans died early on in the begginning heres a few; Bactria, American Pie Titans, Praetorian Clans , Immortal Spartans, Doomsday, The Outsiders, Pars, Alpha Omega. These are all new clans that couldn't make it past the first month. Some other clans that have died but showed potential are State of Mind and Killa Instinct.

The question is why? Why did these clans fail? Many of these founders of these clans were very excited to start something and it failed? Was it the lack of recruitment? I think it has to do with veterans not wanting to join their clans and the unwillingness to train someone. The only way you can be successful is by giving others a shot. For example, Syndicate was a major player in most of these clans today. Syndicate was basically the breeding ground of most people, myself included. Syndicate does things not many clans do which is give players a shot, maybe not as much today since Spart is inactive.

By complaining how this community does not have enough competitive clans is partially everyones fault, for not wanting to train new players. These new players could go out and make a clan like I did. It leads back to my point about clans failing because of not wanting to train lower ranks or give them a chance.

Another thing I see is clan hopping, many notable players are bouncing from clan to clan and not being able to find a spot. Losing a big name in your clan is never a good thing and it hurts a clans confidence moving forward. One of my reccomendations is not letting in any of these clan hoppers unless they are for real about wanting to stay and join. Un loyal members kill clans.. Thats why clans like Stalins, Syndicate, Illyria, MK, evoL and others are here. All of them have a group of core players who are loyal to one another.

I'm just trying to give people tips if they are looking to make a new clan that wont fail, clans are scarce already and I'd like to see some more, but i'd also like to hear your guys opinion on why new clans fail.

clovis1122 Epic Clan Objave: 9043 od: Dominikanska Republika	+1 20.03.2015 - 07:43 clovis1122 Prispeval Your Mother, 20.03.2015 at 06:11 Prispeval Eagle, 19.03.2015 at 07:02 In MK we dont have leaders/officers... Dictatorship all the way! I think syndicate is also a dictatorship. But a very emotional one. Best tip ever for all the clans is to have a dramaqueen, cause those players knows how to light up the clan chat. I will always remember how when it was not waffel, it was ym spamming chat, then chill, then me, then rayan, then own eagles (Do you guys remember when eagles was serious? XD) then god... Bla is all about core of friends, cause I remember some trolls/leavers left cause they didn't hold crazyness. NEVER MIX TWO DRAMAQUEENS... YOU HAD BEEN WARNED. syndi best clan after ulp D Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
clovis1122 Epic Clan Objave: 9043 od: Dominikanska Republika	+1 20.03.2015 - 07:55 clovis1122 I do no wish you guys bad luck but if for any case illy/SM/evoL/MK dies... Could anyone reveal all those guides? I am sure many low ranks would thanks you guys for Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Autumn Syndicate Objave: 986 od: Canada	20.03.2015 - 10:26 Autumn Prispeval Guest, 19.03.2015 at 14:25 Simple because they keep playing the same boring map.. lol hahaha lolol poor u Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Zone Apprentice Objave: 407 od: Francija	+1 20.03.2015 - 12:23 Zone Prispeval Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 13:14 Yeah acqui is very right, as always.The leader/s sets the tone in the beggining and the start of a new clan is the most importand part.When we are talking about competitive clans, the leader/s got to have some basic characteristics. a. being experienced - Being experienced and pro in the game means alot and a reputation as a good player, goes a long way, when trying to recruit competitive players. b.connections - Being social and knowing people is also importand.The more "famous" you are in the game and the more connections you have, wether is friends or just knowing people, is also importand factor when it comes to recruiting solid players. If you do not have those qualities, i cant see how you would expect competitive players to join your clan.Thats the reality of the matter. But having these, for starters, is a good way to secure a solid team of competent players for your new clan.After that you have to establish a core of loyal players and a clan culture as acqui said.If you cant do that, your clan will fail.Thats why so many clans with a bunch of pro competitive players, have failed in the past.The clan needs to have a character and the members to go with its flow.The core players usually set the tone for this and so its importand all the new recruits are a good match, not only as players but as character as well. I m gonna give some examples of my lovely clan so you understand what i mean. -has a great family-like atmosphere, we play for the clan and not ourselfs and we love-never compete with each other.So players with big egos like Mr_own_U , attention whores (too many to post) , non-team players like Syrian and panteri23, or clan haters (sorry chill) are bound to not be a good match. -We joke,mock, tease and troll each other all the time.Players without a sense of humour or people who get shocked and offended easily, will not have a good time in Illyria.Needless to say that this means 2/3 of atwar will not be a good match for this clan. -We have a high IQ average and we think alot.Stupid people, with low intelligence, close minded, racists-facists, religious fanatics and all other tards will never fit in Illyria and didnt, in the past.Another 2/3 of atwar not a good match here also. -Driving force is to play as much cws as possible, get the best results possible and have some fun.Players that winning and establishing a name for themselves is their driving force, will also not be a good match eventually, like it happened with Zone and others, in the past.Nothing wrong with it, just a difference in priorities. Also no matter how skilled a player is, if he is not a fun personality, has a good character with some morals and likes to socialize, he will also be a bad match.So boring personalities, like Chess for example, players who never speak and cant move their fat fingers to write a "hello" and instead write "h" in clan chat (h mauzer), players with questionable morals ( hi cthulhu ) or evil demons like Mr_Own_U, will never fit in Illy, no matter how much of good players they are. So, what im saying with all this, is that if the leaders make up their clans personality and character, they can recruit players that fit in and this will go along way to make a solid, loyal core that will stick around.If you have the core, your clan is succesfull imo.Each clan can have its own characteristics and values, not all have to be the same.I was a bad match for MK for example and looking at it now its clear what i wanted from a clan and what MK wanted from its players are 2 different things, whereas in Illyria i found a great home , in which i could be myself.That doesnt mean MK is not succesfull, it has its own character and its own core players.Im pretty sure all succesfull clans are like this, including evol. Lastly if you skip the gay romance of croat with ferluci, its clear Croat is on to something.Being friends with your clan buddies and having fun outside of games is a huge factor and maybe the most importand in my opinion, if you want your clan to stick around. I had my doubts and still have some, about coza, because i see alot of different personalities in there, i sincerely hope Croat is right and you guys will still be around next season, cause Godess know, you are trying..You have Serbians,Turks and Albanians playing side to side for fuck shake, you deserve it.go coza go (ok now give me modship) So after those 3 month i stayed in illy and played multiple cw's and had great time their i wasn't a good match to illyria ? Fuck you lol. Really. We quitted the clan because me and fer wanted to have an experience in creating a new clan --> Cosa. How the hell was i putting my interest first in a significant way ? I don't like the tone you use about others players judging them like that ! ---- Only the Braves Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
b0nker2 Stalins Martians Objave: 2398 od: UK	+2 20.03.2015 - 12:35 b0nker2 Prispeval Zone, 20.03.2015 at 12:23 Prispeval Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 13:14 So after those 3 month i stayed in illy and played multiple cw's and had great time their i wasn't a good match to illyria ? Fuck you lol. Really. We quitted the clan because me and fer wanted to have an experience in creating a new clan --> Cosa. How the hell was i putting my interest first in a significant way ? I don't like the tone you use about others players judging them like that ! I took a nice dump today, it was smelly. Then I made a sandwich, it had peanut butter in it. After that I read some news stories, then I came here. Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Zone Apprentice Objave: 407 od: Francija	20.03.2015 - 12:38 Zone Prispeval b0nker2, 20.03.2015 at 12:35 Prispeval Zone, 20.03.2015 at 12:23 Prispeval Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 13:14 So after those 3 month i stayed in illy and played multiple cw's and had great time their i wasn't a good match to illyria ? Fuck you lol. Really. We quitted the clan because me and fer wanted to have an experience in creating a new clan --> Cosa. How the hell was i putting my interest first in a significant way ? I don't like the tone you use about others players judging them like that ! I took a nice dump today, it was smelly. Then I made a sandwich, it had peanut butter in it. After that I read some news stories, then I came here. Haha i'm so pissed about what khal says ! Would never think illyrian players think that of me ---- Only the Braves Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
b0nker2 Stalins Martians Objave: 2398 od: UK	+1 20.03.2015 - 12:39 b0nker2 Prispeval Zone, 20.03.2015 at 12:38 Prispeval b0nker2, 20.03.2015 at 12:35 Prispeval Zone, 20.03.2015 at 12:23 Prispeval Khal.eesi, 19.03.2015 at 13:14 So after those 3 month i stayed in illy and played multiple cw's and had great time their i wasn't a good match to illyria ? Fuck you lol. Really. We quitted the clan because me and fer wanted to have an experience in creating a new clan --> Cosa. How the hell was i putting my interest first in a significant way ? I don't like the tone you use about others players judging them like that ! I took a nice dump today, it was smelly. Then I made a sandwich, it had peanut butter in it. After that I read some news stories, then I came here. Haha i'm so pissed about what khal says ! Would never think illyrian players think that of me Meh still though, this thread has purpose ( a good one from mou for once) Khal is probably joking or on her period IDK. Also your rage missed ''Nothing wrong with it, just a difference in priorities'' Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Khal.eesi Illyria Objave: 4213 od: Izrael	+1 20.03.2015 - 13:12 Khal.eesi Prispeval Zone, 20.03.2015 at 12:23 So after those 3 month i stayed in illy and played multiple cw's and had great time their i wasn't a good match to illyria ? Fuck you lol. Really. We quitted the clan because me and fer wanted to have an experience in creating a new clan --> Cosa. How the hell was i putting my interest first in a significant way ? I don't like the tone you use about others players judging them like that ! I speak the truth brother, i am to Atwar, just what Pythia was, to the Ancient Greeks.I just do it more stylish and with a dash of humour, that you obviously cant get, because well..you are French That being said, as i said, you guys were a bad match in relation to longevity and loyalty to the clan.We had lots of fun with you guys, you are good dudes and good players, but it was obvious to me from the start, that you would eventually spread your wings and fly away, to go on an adventure that would bring you fame and glory.As i said, nothing wrong with it ---- Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Zone Apprentice Objave: 407 od: Francija	+1 20.03.2015 - 13:20 Zone Hmmm well as you explained in your second part of your comment. this was not humour but serious think. Also, personally i truely don't link someone leaving a clan for making a new clan as a bad match but everyone has his ideas i guess. We were loyal to illy and i still am. Plz stop talking like you already know the overall truth and begin discuss ! ---- Only the Braves Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Khal.eesi Illyria Objave: 4213 od: Izrael	+2 20.03.2015 - 13:38 Khal.eesi Prispeval clovis1122, 20.03.2015 at 07:43 I think syndicate is also a dictatorship. But a very emotional one. Best tip ever for all the clans is to have a dramaqueen, cause those players knows how to light up the clan chat. I will always remember how when it was not waffel, it was ym spamming chat, then chill, then me, then rayan, then own eagles (Do you guys remember when eagles was serious? XD) then god... Bla is all about core of friends, cause I remember some trolls/leavers left cause they didn't hold crazyness. NEVER MIX TWO DRAMAQUEENS... YOU HAD BEEN WARNED. syndi best clan after ulp D I disagree.One drama queen is enough to fuck up a whole clan and ruin its atmosphere.We had our experience, with chill, no matter how much i love that kid, he could mess up the whole clan, divide us and make us fight each other, in a matter of seconds.Even now that he s been away from months, he still manage to do it, cause everytime i say "i miss chill" in clan chat, laochra stops talking to me.He doesnt even upvote my posts anymore. As for Syndicate, jokes aside, this clan is rotting from the inside, for quite some time now.If you want the truth, its the only sucesfull clan, that does not have a character and a culture and its falling appart slowly but steady, for quite some time now.Why?Because of the leader, Spart aka Milltank.Not only is he inactive as fuck and never logins since as long as a year, but when he does he just troll and fuck around.He refuses to give the clan to someone else to run it and he thinks it can run on autopilot forever, while making lots of Syndicate friends, enemies, for no reason, me included.I considered Syndicate my second home, but know i see it as a haunted house, filled with ghosts. The clan is filled with trolls who come and go all the time, like you, syrian, god, monkey, skills, waffel and etc and only poor eagles1812 is trying to be serious.Im surprised really Syndicate is even still alive as a clan.I sincerely hope, you guys "rebuilt" Syndicate and make it as glorious as it used to be and not let it wither away, because thats where its headed. ---- Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Khal.eesi Illyria Objave: 4213 od: Izrael	+1 20.03.2015 - 13:49 Khal.eesi Prispeval Zone, 20.03.2015 at 13:20 Hmmm well as you explained in your second part of your comment. this was not humour but serious think. Also, personally i truely don't link someone leaving a clan for making a new clan as a bad match but everyone has his ideas i guess. We were loyal to illy and i still am. Plz stop talking like you already know the overall truth and begin discuss ! how are you loyal when you are not even in the said clan i think our whole disagreement, is a misunderstanding due to word terminology.You think being called un-loyal is being called betrayor, but that is not the case.(unfortunately the guy who upvoted your comment, panteri23, could not help you in this, because he is a Turkish nationalist who speaks way worse english than you) I also didnt judge you, i said good things about you and i like you (and fer).But its not your fault, i ve been to France and i know whats up.You guys have a complex with English language, because of your historical hatred for Uk and you just dont want to speak it.Damn Frenchies! ---- Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Spart Syndicate Objave: 1711 od: USA	+5 20.03.2015 - 18:07 Spart Khal.eesi...please...do us all a favor and keep your nose in your own business and out of Syndicate's. You know nothing of the clan or its recent state, so please as Clovis has wished me to tell you and shut the fuck up. ---- "In atWar you either die a hero or live long enough to ally fag and gang bang some poor bastards." ~Goblin "In this game, everyone is hated." ~Xenosapien Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
clovis1122 Epic Clan Objave: 9043 od: Dominikanska Republika	+1 20.03.2015 - 18:11 clovis1122 Prispeval Spart, 20.03.2015 at 18:07 so please as Clovis has wished me to tell you and shut the fuck up. Agreed+ repped with alts + upvoted. Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Azula. Objave: 1395 od: Belgija	20.03.2015 - 18:30 Azula. No aces? No upvote ! Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Your Monkey Objave: 1414 od: Malta	+1 20.03.2015 - 19:15 Your Monkey Prispeval clovis1122, 20.03.2015 at 18:11 Prispeval Spart, 20.03.2015 at 18:07 so please as Clovis has wished me to tell you and shut the fuck up. Agreed+ repped with alts + upvoted. Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Mr_Own_U evoL Objave: 2710 od: USA	20.03.2015 - 20:07 Mr_Own_U Prispeval Azula., 20.03.2015 at 18:30 No aces? No upvote ! What did you want me to say about Aces? lol. You guys havent died, nor really been under any spotlights. ---- It's not the end. Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Khal.eesi Illyria Objave: 4213 od: Izrael	20.03.2015 - 20:08 Khal.eesi Prispeval Spart, 20.03.2015 at 18:07 Khal.eesi...please...do us all a favor and keep your nose in your own business and out of Syndicate's. You know nothing of the clan or its recent state, so please as Clovis has wished me to tell you and shut the fuck up. You are not the boss of me Spart!(anymore) I am a free person and i can do and say whatever i want! ---- Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Mr_Own_U evoL Objave: 2710 od: USA	+1 20.03.2015 - 20:10 Mr_Own_U Prispeval Spart, 20.03.2015 at 18:07 Khal.eesi...please...do us all a favor and keep your nose in your own business and out of Syndicate's. You know nothing of the clan or its recent state, so please as Clovis has wished me to tell you and shut the fuck up. Thats wrong Spart, it's not hard to tell when a clan is struggling. And I can say I know Syndicate is by your own members saying it is. Hell even clovis said there is turmoil in there. Eagles cant stand clovis vice versa, you're inactive spart (Which is fine) Syndicate isn't what it used to be an everyone on atwar can vouch for that, you have to come down to earth and face reality. evoL has seen better days, we used to do 5+ clanwars a day now we're averaging about 2 a week. None of us care cause it's more of a friendship then a clan. So think twice before you be a dick to Khal who meant no harm to you. ---- It's not the end. Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Permamuted Illyria Objave: 6176 od: Irska	+2 20.03.2015 - 20:30 Permamuted Prispeval Mr_Own_U, 20.03.2015 at 20:10 So think twice before you be a dick to Khal who meant no harm to you. ---- Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
clovis1122 Epic Clan Objave: 9043 od: Dominikanska Republika	20.03.2015 - 21:38 clovis1122 Prispeval Mr_Own_U, 20.03.2015 at 20:10 Eagles cant stand clovis vice versa Prispeval Permamuted, 20.03.2015 at 20:30 Prispeval Mr_Own_U, 20.03.2015 at 20:10 So think twice before you be a dick to Khal who meant no harm to you. Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Google Shadow Aces Objave: 2705 od: USA	21.03.2015 - 00:09 Google Prispeval Mr_Own_U, 20.03.2015 at 20:07 Prispeval Azula., 20.03.2015 at 18:30 No aces? No upvote ! What did you want me to say about Aces? lol. You guys havent died, nor really been under any spotlights. Aces are op ---- Helpful Guides Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Sun Tsu Suicidal Cookies Objave: 1939 od: UK	21.03.2015 - 07:11 Sun Tsu Prispeval ArminyMouse, 21.03.2015 at 05:38 Aces are the best!We're not the same - I'm Ace. I thought you were leader of Band of Brothers ---- intelligence + imagination = extraordinary result Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Sun Tsu Suicidal Cookies Objave: 1939 od: UK	+1 21.03.2015 - 07:30 Sun Tsu Prispeval ArminyMouse, 21.03.2015 at 07:14 I was,but not now.... so what happened? why did bob turn to blob? ---- intelligence + imagination = extraordinary result Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Gonzo. Račun izbrisan	+1 21.03.2015 - 08:16 Gonzo. Račun izbrisan Prispeval ArminyMouse, 21.03.2015 at 05:38 Aces are the best!We're not the same - I'm Ace. How can you be an Ace, when you are a cln hopper. You are part of the problem most people are talking about in the tread. Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Gonzo. Račun izbrisan	21.03.2015 - 08:17 Gonzo. Račun izbrisan Prispeval Sun Tsu, 21.03.2015 at 07:11 Prispeval ArminyMouse, 21.03.2015 at 05:38 Aces are the best!We're not the same - I'm Ace. I thought you were leader of Band of Brothers second this Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Croat Paradox Objave: 7244 od: Hrvaška	21.03.2015 - 09:04 Croat You guys from evoL are really stupid, I joined your clan for one day and left because you jerks are inactive and play only 2-5 cw's per day. Now, I am in Aces and we play 1 cw per week and it is Ancient. I AM ACE sarcasm ---- Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Croat Paradox Objave: 7244 od: Hrvaška	+1 21.03.2015 - 10:45 Croat Prispeval ArminyMouse, 21.03.2015 at 10:41 Please see how much evol plays cws,next,if some players from sa like ancient you dont have anything to do about that. Third:pls make one more flame war here. Ok. In Croatia we have much napalm and we dont know where to throw it, so im throwing it here.. BURN BABY, BURRRRN ---- Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Croat Paradox Objave: 7244 od: Hrvaška	21.03.2015 - 11:10 Croat Prispeval ArminyMouse, 21.03.2015 at 10:59 Ti stvarno pokazujes na kojem si stepenu sad XD Uzmimo u obzir dvije činjenice: 1. Da je prosjecna temperatura covjeka izmedu 36 i 37 stupnjeva ili ti ga stepeni 2. Da je temperatura plamena oko 1000 stupnjeva ili ti ga stepeni S obzirom na to da sam bacio napalm, znači da upravo gorim. Moje tijelo ima znatno nižu temperaturu od plamena pa će trebati vremena da se temperatura mog tijela izjednači s temperaturom plamena. Budući da je proces izjednačavanja već počeo, sada sam na oko 133. stupnju odnosno stepenu. Za nekih sat-dva potpuno ću izgoriti i postati pepeo. ---- Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Gonzo. Račun izbrisan	+2 21.03.2015 - 11:15 Gonzo. Račun izbrisan Prispeval Croat, 21.03.2015 at 09:04 You guys from evoL are really stupid, I joined your clan for one day and left because you jerks are inactive and play only 2-5 cw's per day. Now, I am in Aces and we play 1 cw per week and it is Ancient. I AM ACE sarcasm Again, does not make sense with some people. Well played Croat, and love the sarcasm. Nalaganje... Nalaganje...
Gonzo. Račun izbrisan	+1 21.03.2015 - 11:37 Gonzo. Račun izbrisan Prispeval ArminyMouse, 21.03.2015 at 08:29 No,i have my reason why i left bob,then on mou's call joined evol but you guys inactive a lot,and playing cw when i sleep,now im in SA bcs im Ace! Not out fault that you are on different times then the rest of the cln. But, you cant say we are inactive. That is a false statement. we play when we are on and you cant blame us for not being one when you are on. Last point, we also have other things in our lives that take us away from the game. Nalaganje... Nalaganje...

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