Northern Macedonia

Prispeval avatar, 17.06.2018 at 07:17

Nino Belov all the way, woohoo!

Everyone in the Balkans should fight to the death, and whoever wins is acknowledged as superior.

If the international community was smart it would force Macedonia to change their name. By allowing them to keep their name it is legitimizing intelectual theft, something that cannot end well (imagine if everyone started doing it, italians clamining roman history and land, tunisians for carthage, poles for prussians etc etc, all because they simply live on a land those nations once lived)

Macedonia should change its name to its first given name in 1918, Vardarska after the Vardar river.

The Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia is and foremost a Slavic area inherently distinct from the ethnically and linguistically Greek historical and modern Macedonian land area. The naming of the area by the people granted by the dictator Tito as Macedonia, is ridiculous in the fact that considering that they possess no real claims to the area held by Greece is the same as if they felt like being called England, another land they could "Feel" like they have any remote claims toward or ancestry.
-This guy sums it up pretty nice.

Now let's continue to the "Macedonian Question". Firstly the area known as FYROM has always been multi-ethnic and the source of much contention. They are literally a group with no real ethnic identity, a delusional sort. Their whole "History" is riddled with the interference and power plays of numerous factions and nations.
The Serbians began the myth that they are like the ancient Macedons to undermine Bulgarian influence in the region, and the Greeks in order to suit their own interest also began subversive actions to further delude the "Macedonian Slav" population. ww1 being the main reason why they even got recognized as a separate ethnic group is to discredit the preceding main stance of the area being mainly Bulgarians and a large reason why Bulgarian Irredentism still claims the area.
-For Example











In terms of the FYROM being so obdurate in not changing their name despite the Greeks proving the FYROM's stance as delusional, yes it is trolling that they don't change their name. Even NATO won't accept them until they reach a mutual consensus with Greece.
-Example of NATO representative states the terms for ascension and Greek posters

(Mind you that claims that it was only Greece that prevented FYROM's ascension to NATO/EU is hogwash as NATO votes are unanimous and the EU issue is in regards to the name. Greece simply advocated against FYROM's ascension for the NATO. Greece also seeks a solution to the issue and FYROM only prolongs the drama.




As previously shown, the region never was titled to label an ethnic group as "Macedonian Slav" until After The First world war.
-Here are some examples until the last which is the only one that includes the label "Macedonian Slav" during the year 1918









All in all FYROM is trolling, its supporters are baseless and ignorant and this chat forum debate no longer really has any more contention to the issue unless they wish to meme refute the borders of ancient Macedonia and history. Honestly FYROM, should not exist, and should quite honestly be split by the other nations.

Prispeval Franz, 17.06.2018 at 07:53

Prispeval avatar, 17.06.2018 at 04:54

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 17.06.2018 at 03:21

They are not macedonians . 150K Albanians perhaps more 200k Bulgarians and 100k Slavs. Macedons are greek tribe nothing more , nothing less. North Macedonia is a gift for them.

A gypsy look alike tribe from North Africa, now are claiming to be Macedonians!!!

Great joke.

The North Remembers

Who drew those borders in the first place?

Franz, that area to which Macedonian propaganda references to is the land area that the Osmanli (The Ottomans) expanded upon from the original as the province they drew for the "Macedonians". It is baseless in actuality and only harbors sympathy to the "Macedonians" much like those who also would support Albanian claims to Kosovo and Kurdish claims to the land of multiple states. all of which are nonsensical.

Prispeval Evic, 17.06.2018 at 21:01

If the international community was smart it would force Macedonia to change their name. By allowing them to keep their name it is legitimizing intelectual theft, something that cannot end well (imagine if everyone started doing it, italians clamining roman history and land, tunisians for carthage, poles for prussians etc etc, all because they simply live on a land those nations once lived)

Macedonia should change its name to its first given name in 1918, Vardarska after the Vardar river.

Agreed, supporting FYROM's claim to the name Macedonia only supports future aggression and Irredentist expansionism against Greek lands.
Very Nice name throwback, I concur 100%

Prispeval K_Himmelreich, 17.06.2018 at 23:26

The Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia is and foremost a Slavic area inherently distinct from the ethnically and linguistically Greek historical and modern Macedonian land area. The naming of the area by the people granted by the dictator Tito as Macedonia, is ridiculous in the fact that considering that they possess no real claims to the area held by Greece is the same as if they felt like being called England, another land they could "Feel" like they have any remote claims toward or ancestry.
-This guy sums it up pretty nice.

Now let's continue to the "Macedonian Question". Firstly the area known as FYROM has always been multi-ethnic and the source of much contention. They are literally a group with no real ethnic identity, a delusional sort. Their whole "History" is riddled with the interference and power plays of numerous factions and nations.
The Serbians began the myth that they are like the ancient Macedons to undermine Bulgarian influence in the region, and the Greeks in order to suit their own interest also began subversive actions to further delude the "Macedonian Slav" population. ww1 being the main reason why they even got recognized as a separate ethnic group is discredit the preceding main stance of the area being mainly Bulgarians and a large reason why Bulgarian Irredentism still claims the area.
-For Example











In terms of the FYROM being so obdurate in not changing their name despite the Greeks proving the FYROM's stance as delusional, yes it is trolling that they don't change their name. Even NATO won't accept them until they reach a mutual consensus with Greece.
-Example of NATO representative states the terms for ascension and Greek posters

(Mind you that claims that it was only Greece that prevented FYROM's ascension to NATO/EU is hogwash as NATO votes are unanimous and the EU issue is in regards to the name. Greece simply advocated against FYROM's ascension for the NATO. Greece also seeks a solution to the issue and FYROM only prolongs the drama.




As previously shown, the region never was titled to label an ethnic group as "Macedonian Slav" until After The First world war.
-Here are some examples until the last which is the only one that includes the label "Macedonian Slav" during the year 1918









All in all FYROM is trolling, its supporters are baseless and ignorant and this chat forum debate no longer really has any more contention to the issue unless they wish to meme refute the borders of ancient Macedonia and history. Honestly FYROM, should not exist, and should quite honestly be split by the other nations.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer::beer: He speak with facts

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 17.06.2018 at 13:45

Prispeval 4nic, 17.06.2018 at 12:06

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 17.06.2018 at 11:59

I dont say you are bulgarians , i said you have 200k bulgarians . At least you admit that your languege is Slavic . Of course andis because you are Slavs . You have Slavs surnames and you have Slavic blood . That means you are a Slavic Tribe so you have nothing to do with the acient Macedonians , cuz Slavs invited Macedonia from the early medieval ages . You are the Slavs who lives in Macedonia . i would agree if your name was Slavia Macedonia .

we dont have 200k bulgarians in macedonia, we only get bulgarian passports sometimes cause bulgaria is in the EU and its better for traveling
we are slavic indeed, but we are a mix, when slavs settled this land in the migration period they accepted the name macedonia from the ancient people.
Macedonia was never part of greece in ancient times, just like sparta didnt call themself greeks.

Macedonians was always a greek tribe even Alexander the Great call himself leader of the Greeks . That is not an opinion its a fact.
There are everywhere mix populations . Of course there are macedonians-Slavs mixed but that does not make them macedonians. The original macedonians was mixed with Greeks from the acient times . Thats why they are a Greek tribe .

Names Greece and greek in Alexander time dont even exist

Prispeval avatar, 18.06.2018 at 03:59

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 17.06.2018 at 13:45

Prispeval 4nic, 17.06.2018 at 12:06

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 17.06.2018 at 11:59

I dont say you are bulgarians , i said you have 200k bulgarians . At least you admit that your languege is Slavic . Of course andis because you are Slavs . You have Slavs surnames and you have Slavic blood . That means you are a Slavic Tribe so you have nothing to do with the acient Macedonians , cuz Slavs invited Macedonia from the early medieval ages . You are the Slavs who lives in Macedonia . i would agree if your name was Slavia Macedonia .

we dont have 200k bulgarians in macedonia, we only get bulgarian passports sometimes cause bulgaria is in the EU and its better for traveling
we are slavic indeed, but we are a mix, when slavs settled this land in the migration period they accepted the name macedonia from the ancient people.
Macedonia was never part of greece in ancient times, just like sparta didnt call themself greeks.

Macedonians was always a greek tribe even Alexander the Great call himself leader of the Greeks . That is not an opinion its a fact.
There are everywhere mix populations . Of course there are macedonians-Slavs mixed but that does not make them macedonians. The original macedonians was mixed with Greeks from the acient times . Thats why they are a Greek tribe .

Names Greece and greek in Alexander time dont even exist

Hellenic = Greek , Hellas=Greece Hellenic Greek = Ελληνας Hellas , Greece = Ελλάδα

Prispeval Evic, 17.06.2018 at 21:01

If the international community was smart it would force Macedonia to change their name. By allowing them to keep their name it is legitimizing intelectual theft, something that cannot end well (imagine if everyone started doing it, italians clamining roman history and land, tunisians for carthage, poles for prussians etc etc, all because they simply live on a land those nations once lived)

Macedonia should change its name to its first given name in 1918, Vardarska after the Vardar river.

there is Romania from the romans , modern Egypt as well as ancient Egypt and Iran that recently changed its name from Persia internationally because that
is how they call themselves (their language is known as persian) and some others which have all mixed with other peoples since the ancient times
and no one nation is homogeneous. And you are in the same basket as all of these as i have heard some croatians claiming they are descendants of Illyrians.

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 18.06.2018 at 04:02

Prispeval avatar, 18.06.2018 at 03:59

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 17.06.2018 at 13:45

Prispeval 4nic, 17.06.2018 at 12:06

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 17.06.2018 at 11:59

I dont say you are bulgarians , i said you have 200k bulgarians . At least you admit that your languege is Slavic . Of course andis because you are Slavs . You have Slavs surnames and you have Slavic blood . That means you are a Slavic Tribe so you have nothing to do with the acient Macedonians , cuz Slavs invited Macedonia from the early medieval ages . You are the Slavs who lives in Macedonia . i would agree if your name was Slavia Macedonia .

we dont have 200k bulgarians in macedonia, we only get bulgarian passports sometimes cause bulgaria is in the EU and its better for traveling
we are slavic indeed, but we are a mix, when slavs settled this land in the migration period they accepted the name macedonia from the ancient people.
Macedonia was never part of greece in ancient times, just like sparta didnt call themself greeks.

Macedonians was always a greek tribe even Alexander the Great call himself leader of the Greeks . That is not an opinion its a fact.
There are everywhere mix populations . Of course there are macedonians-Slavs mixed but that does not make them macedonians. The original macedonians was mixed with Greeks from the acient times . Thats why they are a Greek tribe .

Names Greece and greek in Alexander time dont even exist

Hellenic = Greek , Hellas=Greece Hellenic Greek = Ελληνας Hellas , Greece = Ελλάδα

Demosthenes, the great Athenian statesman and orator, spoke of Philip II as:

"... not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave." [Third Philippic, 31]

Hmmm yeah i have seen all those maps too k_himmelreich they are really interesting maps i have noted that before indeed.
Especially that they depict modern greek macedonia as having majority "Bulgarian" population as well as modern republic of macedonia having Bulgarian
but after they could actually declare their nationality they all become macedonian in the republic as well as greek region , like its some magic trick.
Though the years after Greece annexed this region the "Bulgarian" population shrunk and the Greek population became dominant to what it is today.
Thanks to a lot of conflicts , pillaging , genocides and the Greeco Turkish exchange which imo changed the demographic the most:





So when you look at the issue how Greece is trying to take away our Macedonian heritage claiming the real Macedonians ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY 95% CAME FROM SOMEWHERE FROM ANATOLIA is really hilarious. In reality they were mixture of Armenians , Georgians , Greeks , Turks which became orthodox and the greek
government schooled them in the Greek Macedonian way without any of them being the REAL Greek Macedonians they claim to be :lol: :lol: :lol:

Stop reading you school books , YOU ARE SLAVS NOTHING MORE.

Slavs invaded and settled the Balkans in the 6th and 7th centuries.[14] Up until the late 560s their activity was raiding, crossing from the Danube, though with limited Slavic settlement mainly through Byzantine foederati colonies.[15] The Danube and Sava frontier was overwhelmed by large-scale Slavic settlement in the late 6th and early 7th century.[16] What is today central Serbia was an important geo-strategical province, through which the Via Militaris crossed.[17] This area was frequently intruded by barbarians in the 5th and 6th centuries.[17] From the Danube, the Slavs commenced raiding the Byzantine Empire from the 520s, on an annual basis, spreading destruction, taking loot and herds of cattle, seizing prisoners and taking fortresses. Often, the Byzantine Empire was stretched defending its rich Asian provinces from Arabs, Persians and others. This meant that even numerically small, disorganised early Slavic raids were capable of causing much disruption, but could not capture the larger, fortified cities.[15] The first Slavic raid south of the Danube was recorded by Procopius, who mentions an attack of the Antes, "who dwell close to the Sclaveni", probably in 518.[18] Sclaveni are first mentioned in the context of the military policy on the Danube frontier of Byzantine Emperor Justinian I (r. 527-565).[19] Throughout the century, Slavs raided and plundered deep into the Balkans, from Dalmatia to Greece and Thrace, and were also at times recruited as mercenaries, fighting the Ostrogoths.[20] Justinian seems to have used divide and conquer and the Sclaveni and Antes are mentioned as fighting each other.[21] The Antes are last mentioned as anti-Byzantine belligerents in 545, and the Sclaveni continued to raid the Balkans.[22] In 558 the Avars arrived at the Black Sea steppe, and defeated the Antes between the Dnieper and Dniester.[23] The Avars subsequently allied themselves with the Sclaveni,[24] although there was an episode in which the Sclaveni Daurentius (fl. 577-579), the first Slavic chieftain recorded by name, dismissed Avar suzerainty and retorted that "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs [...] so it shall always be for us", and had the Avar envoys slain.[25] By the 580s, as the Slav communities on the Danube became larger and more organized, and as the Avars exerted their influence, raids became larger and resulted in permanent settlement. Most scholars consider the period of 581-584 as the beginning of large scale Slavic settlement in the Balkans.[26] F. Curta points out that evidence of substantial Slavic presence does not appear before the 7th century and remains qualitatively different from the "Slavic culture" found north of the Danube.[27] Byzantine re-assertion of the Danube defence in the mid-6th century and thereby lesser pillage yield (economic isolation) amidst external threats (Avars and Byzantines) resulted in political and military mobilisation and the itinerant form of agriculture (lacking crop rotation) may have encouraged micro-regional mobility. 7th-century archaeological sites shows earlier hamlet collections evolving into larger communities with differentiated designated areas (for public feasts, craftmanship, etc.).[28] It has been suggested that the Sclaveni were the ancestors of the Serbo-Croatian group while the Antes were that of the Bulgarian Slavs.[29] The diminished pre-Slavic inhabitants (including also Romanized native peoples[a]) fled Barbarian invasions and sought refuge inside fortified cities and islands, whilst others fled to remote mountains and forests and adopted a transhumant lifestyle.[30] The Romance-speakers within the fortified Dalmatian city-states managed to retain their culture and language for a long time.[31] The numerous Slavs mixed with and assimilated the descendants of the indigenous population.[32] WIKI


You have nothing to do with Macedonia , you dont even know what macedonia means

Nea Dimokratia and VMRO will save our name
I DONT LIKE MY COUNTRY TO JOIN FASCIST ORGANIZATION LIKE EU AND NATO!!!

again i dont care for history or territories
But my country name is Republic of Macedonia
Nathionality MACEDONIAN
LANGUAGE MACEDONIAN

why greeks dont rename their country in macedonia? nathionality and language macedonian?????

Why why ?? Bc you are not macedonians

Btw i dont have nothing against if you decide to rename Greece in Macedonia
If you do that we can unite both countries
But capitol will be Solun aka thessaloniki

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 18.06.2018 at 08:09

Stop reading you school books , YOU ARE SLAVS NOTHING MORE.

Slavs invaded and settled the Balkans in the 6th and 7th centuries.[14] Up until the late 560s their activity was raiding, crossing from the Danube, though with limited Slavic settlement mainly through Byzantine foederati colonies.[15] The Danube and Sava frontier was overwhelmed by large-scale Slavic settlement in the late 6th and early 7th century.[16] What is today central Serbia was an important geo-strategical province, through which the Via Militaris crossed.[17] This area was frequently intruded by barbarians in the 5th and 6th centuries.[17] From the Danube, the Slavs commenced raiding the Byzantine Empire from the 520s, on an annual basis, spreading destruction, taking loot and herds of cattle, seizing prisoners and taking fortresses. Often, the Byzantine Empire was stretched defending its rich Asian provinces from Arabs, Persians and others. This meant that even numerically small, disorganised early Slavic raids were capable of causing much disruption, but could not capture the larger, fortified cities.[15] The first Slavic raid south of the Danube was recorded by Procopius, who mentions an attack of the Antes, "who dwell close to the Sclaveni", probably in 518.[18] Sclaveni are first mentioned in the context of the military policy on the Danube frontier of Byzantine Emperor Justinian I (r. 527-565).[19] Throughout the century, Slavs raided and plundered deep into the Balkans, from Dalmatia to Greece and Thrace, and were also at times recruited as mercenaries, fighting the Ostrogoths.[20] Justinian seems to have used divide and conquer and the Sclaveni and Antes are mentioned as fighting each other.[21] The Antes are last mentioned as anti-Byzantine belligerents in 545, and the Sclaveni continued to raid the Balkans.[22] In 558 the Avars arrived at the Black Sea steppe, and defeated the Antes between the Dnieper and Dniester.[23] The Avars subsequently allied themselves with the Sclaveni,[24] although there was an episode in which the Sclaveni Daurentius (fl. 577-579), the first Slavic chieftain recorded by name, dismissed Avar suzerainty and retorted that "Others do not conquer our land, we conquer theirs [...] so it shall always be for us", and had the Avar envoys slain.[25] By the 580s, as the Slav communities on the Danube became larger and more organized, and as the Avars exerted their influence, raids became larger and resulted in permanent settlement. Most scholars consider the period of 581-584 as the beginning of large scale Slavic settlement in the Balkans.[26] F. Curta points out that evidence of substantial Slavic presence does not appear before the 7th century and remains qualitatively different from the "Slavic culture" found north of the Danube.[27] Byzantine re-assertion of the Danube defence in the mid-6th century and thereby lesser pillage yield (economic isolation) amidst external threats (Avars and Byzantines) resulted in political and military mobilisation and the itinerant form of agriculture (lacking crop rotation) may have encouraged micro-regional mobility. 7th-century archaeological sites shows earlier hamlet collections evolving into larger communities with differentiated designated areas (for public feasts, craftmanship, etc.).[28] It has been suggested that the Sclaveni were the ancestors of the Serbo-Croatian group while the Antes were that of the Bulgarian Slavs.[29] The diminished pre-Slavic inhabitants (including also Romanized native peoples[a]) fled Barbarian invasions and sought refuge inside fortified cities and islands, whilst others fled to remote mountains and forests and adopted a transhumant lifestyle.[30] The Romance-speakers within the fortified Dalmatian city-states managed to retain their culture and language for a long time.[31] The numerous Slavs mixed with and assimilated the descendants of the indigenous population.[32] WIKI


You have nothing to do with Macedonia , you dont even know what macedonia means

You are idiot
Tell me what macedonia means?

If these negotiations aren't proof that Macedonians aren't slavs, I don't know what will be.
As if any slavic nation would accept change of name under these circumstances (being surrounded by enemies, and bullied on international stage).

Most slavic response would be "No, fuck you mate, we are building new airport called Aleksandar Makedonski"

The name Macedonia derives from the Greek Μακεδονία (Makedonía),a kingdom (later, region) named after the ancient Macedonians, from the Greek Μακεδόνες (Makedones), "Macedonians", explained as having originally meant either "the tall ones" or "highlanders".

Prispeval Ghostface, 18.06.2018 at 06:49

Hmmm yeah i have seen all those maps too k_himmelreich they are really interesting maps i have noted that before indeed.
Especially that they depict modern greek macedonia as having majority "Bulgarian" population as well as modern republic of macedonia having Bulgarian
but after they could actually declare their nationality they all become macedonian in the republic as well as greek region , like its some magic trick.
Though the years after Greece annexed this region the "Bulgarian" population shrunk and the Greek population became dominant to what it is today.
Thanks to a lot of conflicts , pillaging , genocides and the Greeco Turkish exchange which imo changed the demographic the most:





So when you look at the issue how Greece is trying to take away our Macedonian heritage claiming the real Macedonians ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY 95% CAME FROM SOMEWHERE FROM ANATOLIA is really hilarious. In reality they were mixture of Armenians , Georgians , Greeks , Turks which became orthodox and the greek
government schooled them in the Greek Macedonian way without any of them being the REAL Greek Macedonians they claim to be :lol: :lol: :lol:

[img]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Greek_Colonization_Archaic_Period.png That will explain to you why greeks came from anatolian

Prispeval Ghostface, 18.06.2018 at 09:15

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 18.06.2018 at 08:35

The name Macedonia derives from the Greek Μακεδονία (Makedonía),a kingdom (later, region) named after the ancient Macedonians, from the Greek Μακεδόνες (Makedones), "Macedonians", explained as having originally meant either "the tall ones" or "highlanders".

well guess what , republic of Macedonia has more highlands and hills and is typically a lot more mountainous than Greek Macedonia which is majority plains.
Also some trivia that i just remembered is that that is the reason why Greece wanted to get modern Greek Macedonia because there were many farmlands and plains
while other parts of Greece were all highlands and not suitable for farming. That is why they focused to get that region first in the 1910s when the turks were still here
rather than try to retake more of anatolia right away.

We couldnt retake Anatolia cuz there was the main power of Ottoman Empire . Ottoman Empire was weak at the Balkans , thats why we march north
instead suicide at Anatolia . As for the name Macedonia , it is a greek name so you use a greek name for your country? Dont you have your own ''Macedonian'' word about your country ?

Fact of the matter is, most of europe is a mix of different peoples, modern day macedonians (Slavs) immigrated into the area and assimilated the people living there which include the ancient Greek Macedonians. So both are in fact descendants of Alexander the Great dna wise, as a part of that population still remained in modern Greek borders too. I hope Greece and Macedonia can stop their quarrels and both live peacefully and prosper, for the arguments over who has more claim to Alexander the Great is just ridiculous.

But I fear such is most balkan arguments in general so

You cant call yourselfs original macedonians when you are Slavs. You cant call yourselfs acient macedonians when you speak a slavic languege . Alexander the Great spoke greek and also the Macedonians. Even Alexander call himself Leader of the Greeks .

Of course there are mixing population there, but the hellenistic influence was more strong at Anatolia than the west . Byzantine Empire officialy languege was Greek.

Prispeval Ghostface, 18.06.2018 at 10:10

Don't get me wrong we have our own meaning of the word Makedonija or Makedonia , the meaning you stated is different so i was just interpreting your definition of the word.

Your meaning is?

Prispeval The_Empirezz, 18.06.2018 at 09:51

Fact of the matter is, most of europe is a mix of different peoples, modern day macedonians (Slavs) immigrated into the area and assimilated the people living there which include the ancient Greek Macedonians. So both are in fact descendants of Alexander the Great dna wise, as a part of that population still remained in modern Greek borders too. I hope Greece and Macedonia can stop their quarrels and both live peacefully and prosper, for the arguments over who has more claim to Alexander the Great is just ridiculous.

But I fear such is most balkan arguments in general so

I dont really have problem with them, but it is really selfless when they wonna become macedonians. Of course there are Slavs macedonians , but also there is Greek-Macedonians .

As i said i would agree if your name was Slavia Macedonia or Yugoslavian Macedonia

Prispeval Evic, 17.06.2018 at 21:01

If the international community was smart it would force Macedonia to change their name.

If you want to go so far into history, why not say UN/EU wasnt smart enough to stop Yugoslav Crisis and force Slovenia and Croatia to stay, not leave and start war. Just like EU is pressuring Scotland and Catalonia today to stay and not encouraging them to leave, like they did to Slovenia and Croatia(later Bosnia and Macedonia and later Kosovo and Montenegro).

West keep their borders and names, while 'questioning' and making controversy out of eastern borders and names. But hey, if you like West and their ideology; gays and atheism, then why not join their economic unions and military alliance.

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 18.06.2018 at 10:38

As i said i would agree if your name was Slavia Macedonia or Yugoslavian Macedonia

If my country was stronk like yugoslavia than you will agree with everything





Why in that time no protest against Macedonia ??
Or you afraid from war with yu???

You know that in that time your region was north greece???

"In August 1988 Greece renamed "Northern Greece" as "Macedonia"

gg noob with your noobish propaganda

You are just little kid probably 3th generation of madziri from turkey who was settled in makedonia in 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey .

Prispeval avatar, 18.06.2018 at 13:43

Prispeval Cyan Spectre, 18.06.2018 at 10:38

As i said i would agree if your name was Slavia Macedonia or Yugoslavian Macedonia

If my country was stronk like yugoslavia than you will agree with everything





Why in that time no protest against Macedonia ??
Or you afraid from war with yu???

You know that in that time your region was north greece???

"In August 1988 Greece renamed "Northern Greece" as "Macedonia"

gg noob with your noobish propaganda

You are just little kid probably 3th generation of madziri from turkey who was settled in makedonia in 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey .

Your country is not even a country , that books does not exist anymore cuz they were fake. How can you call yourself macedonian when the macedonians spoke greek? You are just a slav boy who invade macedonia from the ealry medieval age deal with it . Everything at acient macedonia was greek. The languege , acient statues and coins with greek inscriptions, towns with greek names, same religions , greek tambles everything . And you come here and tell us you are macedonian? with your slavic languege? with your Slavic name? Are you kidding me? And your proof is what? You mixed with the local peoples. hmmmm nice proof . You are just vessel of the USA to control the Balkans nothing more , and that is the only reason which you exist as country. 0 economy , 0 Military , 0 culture nothing . And still you dont wonna join Eu. You are that blind that you cant see the good of your own country. People from your country come to greece to find a job do u understand? People from your country come to greece for a better feature and you come here to tell me what?

Todays Macedonia doesnt have anything canon with old Macedonia.

So they should change name to Mauzeria Panterlandia.

Prispeval Ghostface, 18.06.2018 at 06:49

Hmmm yeah i have seen all those maps too k_himmelreich they are really interesting maps i have noted that before indeed.
Especially that they depict modern greek macedonia as having majority "Bulgarian" population as well as modern republic of macedonia having Bulgarian
but after they could actually declare their nationality they all become macedonian in the republic as well as greek region , like its some magic trick.
Though the years after Greece annexed this region the "Bulgarian" population shrunk and the Greek population became dominant to what it is today.
Thanks to a lot of conflicts , pillaging , genocides and the Greeco Turkish exchange which imo changed the demographic the most:





So when you look at the issue how Greece is trying to take away our Macedonian heritage claiming the real Macedonians ARE THE ONES THAT ACTUALLY 95% CAME FROM SOMEWHERE FROM ANATOLIA is really hilarious. In reality they were mixture of Armenians , Georgians , Greeks , Turks which became orthodox and the greek
government schooled them in the Greek Macedonian way without any of them being the REAL Greek Macedonians they claim to be :lol: :lol: :lol:

The exchange was due to the Greco-Turkish war, mostly due to entente false promises as usual. Now continuing.

If slavs moved to FYROM how is that different than the Greek origins. Besides if Greeks settled there long before the Slavs did then the Slavs have even less rights to the area. Now then, since you seem to be ignorant on the origins of Greeks, let yourself be educated and may your false nationalism fall.
The real ancient Greeks, the Mycenaean Greeks - not the classical Greeks - were originally from somewhere between Italy and the South Caucasus. As 75% of there DNA, along with the Minoans have genes from the CHG group (Eastern Caucasus Group) Which overcame much of the EEF groups DNA (Anatolian Farmer group/Neolithic time group) due to the CHG migration wave afterward and which the Mycenaean and Minoans are descended from, before the admixture dilution due to the CHG overcoming factor. However the Mycenaean's also possessed 4-16% of Eurasian DNA indicating a second migration wave from east Europe, However never reached the Minoans. Modern Greeks are descended from both these groups (Mycenaean and Minoan) as they genetically have overlap.

Here is a visual idea for those hard of words ->

Sources: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
https://phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html